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UFOs exist.

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What is not certain is what they are.

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The Mutual UFO Network, or MUFON, watches the skies,

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investigating sightings, soon after they are discovered.

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Their investigators use the tools of science, psychology,

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and law enforcement to get as close to the truth as the truth will allow.

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Unidentified flying objects definitely exist.

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Only their identity remains a mystery.

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The mystery of UFOs over Earth.

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You know, when they talk about Galileo, he'd have his telescope,

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and he'd invite people from the scientific community to come and look in the eyepiece.

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They didn't believe and they wouldn't look in.

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And what we're facing with here is this is out there,

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and some of us are looking in the telescope

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and trying to figure out what's going on out there.

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I'm MUFON's chief investigator for the states of North Carolina and Virginia.

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I essentially work as a volunteer and volunteer my time.

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I'm a chief investigator for the states of North Carolina and Virginia.

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I essentially work as a volunteer and volunteer my time.

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I went to Fayetteville, North Carolina, and I met with Chris Bledsoe,

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and I videotaped what he was telling me.

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I know what I saw. There's no skeptic in the world.

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They can say what they want, set them out of death, but they won't hear.

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When I interviewed Chris, he described lights in the sky at three different locations.

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As you get into the UFO investigations, you'll find people always are describing things they can't find words for.

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So I'm working more like a police sketch artist.

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We want to make this look as close to the actual event.

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This is the location along the Cape Fear River where five guys got together one night to do a little evening fishing.

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We were all fishing right in this very spot.

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Chris leaves his friends. He walks up to this spot on the road, and this is where he has his first encounter.

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Looking this way, you see the trees in front. See where it drops off, that little hut down there?

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Yeah. That's where I was standing.

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And there's these two orange balls, huge, and they were motionless, sitting side by side.

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Okay, so this is about the size that would have been over that tree right there.

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But what alerted me, a third one came in the blink of an eye.

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And I turned around in a pretty good clip, not running, but a good pace walk back to the river.

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Now, this is the point in the river. Chris races back to tell his friends what he's seen.

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They all look up in the sky. Everybody sees these three lights descending rapidly.

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We're all looking at the sky when these three big white balls that look like stars converge and landed on the other side of the river.

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They were really close. They weren't about 100 yards, maybe 150 yards on the other side of the river.

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The guys drop their fishing poles right where they're standing, and they head for the truck.

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So the guys are in the truck. They're racing out of the air. They get to the end of the road.

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They stop the truck. They look up, and everybody sees something strange floating in the sky.

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But the story doesn't end there. Chris goes home, and the barking dogs lead him outside to his backyard, and that's where the story gets really weird.

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The story is about a new family.

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The story is about a new family.

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The story is about a new family.

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Lufon is a nonprofit scientific research organization. We have about 800 field investigators,

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and we get a lot of cases that come our way that we assign to local investigators.

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But when a real good case like this one comes along, I like to go on it personally.

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Tell me what happened. You came back from your walk. You came down here. The guys are fishing down here.

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They're sitting right here, right on this bottom area.

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Chris appears to be a pretty respected member of the community. He's a commercial pilot. He was a very successful builder.

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He had a good business. He's got a great family, raised four children, and for all intents and purposes seems to be a pretty stand-up guy.

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What do you think the attitude was when they came down? You said when they came down and then slowed down.

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I'd say five, six hundred feet when they slowed down, but they were coming down at a speed unbelievable.

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It looked like a star from a million miles away, and then it just boom, didn't stop, but it looked like a cushion of something called it.

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And then they come down about this speed, just gently.

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I have to say that Chris Sr. just came across so well in his demeanor and his body language and just his very simple talk.

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And he was obviously a very intelligent man, but at the same time a very simple man.

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And I just got the sense that there was an element of truth here.

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And was that the end of it?

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It was the end until I got home. And then it started again at the house.

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What happened at the house?

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That's when my dogs went nuts, and I ran out to see what was bothering them.

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My chest peak took off in the woods. I ran around to cut them off, whatever it was, and that's when this entity is standing three or five feet away from me.

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It went on a long time. It was a hectic night. It was totally something I'll never forget. It haunts me.

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My chest peak runs right to about right here and stops.

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I wasn't even thinking of an entity or nothing like that. I'm thinking some sort of animal.

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All these dogs are facing this way. The chest peak is facing this way.

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And her hair is standing up from the back of her head to her rear end.

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I look back this way and right there. It was just standing there.

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Right on that little rise, but if I reached my hand out and leaned over, I could touch it.

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And it would have been about, yes sir, right there.

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No more than three or four feet away.

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That's the max. And he was no higher than, say, this high up on your arm.

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It didn't move. It didn't blink. It had red eyes, but it was glowing.

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I mean, look at the chill bumps. See that? You can't fake that, guys.

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Just like a statue would be looking at.

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It looked like if you dipped a person in glass and it molded to their body,

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you could see through the glass inside that's what it looked like.

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And it looked proportionately like a child, a little person.

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These creatures did not look like the standard close encounters aliens that we have kind of grown up to.

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No one loved dipped in glass and a very shiny surface that apparently went from literally, you know, fingertip to head and everything else.

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For a second I was frightened and I stood here and I said, okay, I'm a big guy.

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If you want me, you got me. You got me cornered. I have nowhere to go.

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This was an important part of this investigation for us because I think most people are going to look at what his reaction was

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and they're going to believe him.

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I want to move in a bed.

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I was frozen and I was looking at it and it was looking at me and I was thinking real fast.

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If it's going to get me, it's going to get me and I just kind of calmed down and relaxed.

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And, you know, I felt at peace at that moment.

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Where's the dog at at this point?

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It was coming straight to it. It came right through here.

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When it got to right in there, the whole thing disappeared.

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Chris, thank you.

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Thank you.

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You mind if we just take a minute to discuss and evaluate?

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What do you think, man?

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Unescribable.

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Incredible.

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We get a lot of stories. We get a lot of cases that involve entities, humanoids.

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But I've never seen a case before where the entity was just four feet away from you.

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That's, to me, that's pretty amazing.

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I didn't notice any arm movement. I mean, it's basically this deal, looking right at him.

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We bought a creature standing there that just vanished and then one second was there, the next second was gone.

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As far as his description, it's staying consistent with his original submission that he made to move on.

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I'm still processing. I don't know what to think right now.

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If he was hoaxing this, if he was trying to scam it, why wouldn't he just use the description everybody else uses?

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This is a very interesting case, but at the same time it's a very tough one because there's no physical evidence

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and we have to rely on strictly witness testimony.

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So far, we've only been able to interview Chris, but there were four other people involved

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and I'd really like to see what they have to say about this.

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As far as I know, we're getting invaded by UFOs.

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I remember being one on the right, one in the middle, and one toward the left.

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I'm thinking, boy, this is really sizing up to be a whopper.

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Like an invasion, you know what I'm saying? That's what we were thinking in our mind.

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Chris Bledsoe alleged that he had three separate UFO sightings and also had an alien encounter, but he was not the only witness that night.

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Okay, just try to remember back and tell me about what happened that night.

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It was really dark out and I happened to be looking down that way and I saw these two orbs, you know, about this big, about waist high off the ground, just floating.

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So all I could see was these two bright red orbs side by side.

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Where were they when you first saw them?

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Down the path there, coming down the road.

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And so they were coming down that road and coming this way or what?

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So you saw the orbs go into that area?

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Going to the woods on the left side in front of the near the river.

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And then next thing you know, I didn't see any more orbs.

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I just saw these little creatures come walking out the woods.

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We interviewed Chris Jr. to see if he could corroborate any of his father's story.

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But it turns out he wasn't at the riverbank.

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He was actually at the riverbank having his own encounter.

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You don't have to go all the way in there, but just kind of indicate where you were back here.

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Try to describe him a little bit.

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It was really dark.

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Just like little creatures, little skin.

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I could see that, you know, they're, I guess they're body, but not like what they were wearing.

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Junior was a little bit different.

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There could be one word I could use to describe Chris Jr.

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That would be this overwhelming sense of angst.

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He seemed to be having some troubles, a lot of internal battles.

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Was the moon up?

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Was there?

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Yeah, there was a moon, plenty of stars.

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We weren't sure whether this really happened to him or he was making some of this up to try to corroborate his dad's story.

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So we think it's really important for us to bring in these other three witnesses who were there and find out what they saw.

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Well then Chris comes up.

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It was a bit of a challenge, but we were able to track down the other three men and videotape what they had to say about the event.

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You could see what looked like bright stars, you know, that was scattered one, you know, across the tree line.

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And I could just, you could just see him descend slowly.

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And it just like, dropping.

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Like I said, you know, it looked like a piece of hot steel or something, you know.

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They were oranges, and then you could see separate other colors.

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It was orange and maybe yellow.

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I remember being one on the left, right, one in the middle and one toward the left.

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From that tree to this tree, they were right there. You could see them just perfect right there.

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That's what, that's what freaked me out.

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And I was like, hey guys, look, y'all see them, y'all see these?

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I got some perinord, I opened my pocket knife.

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And that's when the phantoms said it, you know, there wasn't nothing normal about it.

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What if, if someone wants to say, look, all you guys saw was some flares?

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I'd call them a lie.

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Have you seen flares before?

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Any way they could have been flares, just military flares.

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Have you seen flares?

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I saw, I saw, we spent every five or ten minutes looking at them.

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And the flare goes straight up there, right, right.

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As I'm hearing these guys tell me their story, although there's some minor discrepancies here,

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basically everybody's pretty much telling us the same thing.

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And they're pretty much corroborating each other's stories.

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They want no sound. I mean, it was dead, dead steel that night.

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No sound whatsoever.

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Did you hear any other noise, normal noises, birds, animals?

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It was quiet. It was quiet.

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It was just, you could have heard a rat piss on a piece of cotton.

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That's how quiet it was.

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One of the big discrepancies was the description of the large light that they saw at the top of the hill.

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Three of them saw this big ball of light.

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When we come out of here before we left, there was a light right on, there was a big light right there in that field there.

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But Chris Senior had this very vivid description of what the craft looked like.

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And so we're not sure what to make of that.

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Somewhere between there and the highway was the spike object that I described.

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It was just another big low-end light.

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It was like a...

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But then, you know, like I said, it just kind of just...

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Hold your hand up like that. Kind of try to remember it.

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Well, from a distance, I can put my hand around it like that, maybe.

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If you look at the tree in the pole, it would have been the nose up, it would have been at the pole,

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and the rear end of it would have been past the tree.

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See the horse stand in there?

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That would have been about the back of it, or a little further behind him.

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And the front of it would have been along this pole over here.

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It was good 40 feet.

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The other major discrepancy we saw in the stories was this whole issue of missing time where Chris Senior thought he was gone for a maximum of 23 minutes from the river bank.

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But his companions said he had been gone for hours, and in fact, they went to go look for him.

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Okay, Chris, now you said it took you 20 minutes to get up here and back down again.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay, now why did the other guys think it took longer than that?

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I had it been gone a long time.

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I remember that night that somebody had been looking for him in the truck, the truck was parked right there.

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When it got dark, you know, we kind of started wondering where Chris and God took him.

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It was just me and Gene down there.

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Donnie went up the hill to get Chris, so he didn't have to walk back or whatever, went around there.

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Hey, hey, where you at?

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All of them said they drove up to the road at the end and drove back.

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And I know they left because they said they did and the truck was moved.

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At some point, those guys said that they came up the road and went up there, turned around, and went back.

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You're standing here the whole time.

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How could they get past you without you seeing them and them not seeing you?

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There's no way.

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Did anybody tell you how much time had passed?

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Three or four hours.

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They thought you were gone for three or four hours?

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Yes, sir.

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In a case like this where there's time missing, he tells me he can't remember.

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He tries to remember, he thinks about it, he gets these severe smashing headaches, and he can't remember what happened up there.

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So at the time, you didn't think it was strange that when you got here, it was just getting dark, and when you got back, it was very dark.

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That didn't strike you as strange or odd?

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I have a missing spot in my brain, and I've told Richard this time and again.

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I have a wall.

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I want to know what happened there.

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I'm lost for time at that point.

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I feel for him.

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I feel sorry for him because I can see that he's really struggling with something.

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But I know that's something that we probably could explore with some psychological help.

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Now that we've finished interviewing the other witnesses, and we've pretty much gone as far as we can with them, we want to go back and focus on Chris Bledsoe, because that's where we think we're going to find our answers.

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In cases like this where there's potential for having close encounters, what we've found is that use of regression hypnosis can sometimes help us to uncover missing memories.

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It's like we're in the sky.

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Oh, here we go.

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I'm scared.

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We've definitely gone through the looking glass today, guys.

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The rear end of it would have been past.

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Chris Sr. just seems to be really well known within that community.

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He's a prominent businessman.

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Makes him a credible witness.

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We're not sure if what happened to Chris Bledsoe is real or fantasy, but we're hoping that regression hypnosis will provide that answer.

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You do the regression hypnosis.

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You basically put the client in a state of unconsciousness.

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Sometimes that referred to it is put it in a trance.

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And the psychologist can basically talk to the individual and take the information off their subconscious mind.

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You're in control here.

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All I'll be doing is just helping you to get focused.

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Dr. Michael Connell is a Harvard train psychologist.

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He's got 15 years experience and he's probably done a regression hypnosis on somewhere around 250 individuals and we are very lucky to have him.

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Yes.

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You're okay.

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You're okay.

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The regression hypnosis took place on July 14, 2008 and we videotaped it.

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I'll be right back.

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What are we going?

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I tried to hide.

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I couldn't.

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They were looking at me.

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There's four of them.

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They're so tall.

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Skinny.

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How tall are they?

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Real tall.

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Seven foot or better.

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They're not human.

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They're not human.

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Four of them.

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Uh-huh.

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I just want to go home.

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Let me go.

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I want to see my son.

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What do you want?

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Wherever he was when they were doing this explains where.

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That would explain why when they come up the hill looking for me one day.

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What does the room look like?

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It's round.

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It's dark.

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There is.

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But it's...

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I can see lights.

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Controls.

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I can feel my movement.

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Okay, Michael. Go ahead. Push it to the limit.

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Are they telling you why you were chosen?

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Uh-huh.

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What reason was that?

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They're my guardians.

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Looking after you?

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Uh-huh.

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Your well-being?

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Uh-huh.

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I'm gonna get sad.

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They're here.

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I know I've been sad.

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Is that why you come?

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Uh-huh.

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Are they the same ones that you saw in your backyard later?

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That's their children.

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Your children?

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Uh-huh.

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They let them out to play.

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In your backyard?

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This is just your routine every day stuff, you're right.

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20 years in the business.

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Have they been inside your home?

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Yeah.

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We've definitely gone through the looking glass today, guys.

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I've seen the tapes before, but this is one of the best ones I've ever seen.

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All the way up, you can feel it in your butt, in your back.

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What do you think?

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Oh.

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Was that good?

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A lot of similarities.

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You're, unfortunately, you're not unique in this world.

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Everything we were trying to figure out, you pretty much told us.

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Yeah.

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Really?

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Yeah, you did real good.

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You did good.

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I'll show it to you.

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What we're watching here with Chris is very consistent with the typical abduction scenario.

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It obviously accounts for the missing time.

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When I come back.

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It also accounts for the fact that someone got in the truck, drove up the hill to where he was and he wasn't there.

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You said, at one point, you said something about the little ones, and you said they put them out, let them out to play or something.

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Yeah, they were just letting them out to play.

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They said, in your backyard, playing in your backyard.

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This has been one hell of a week.

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It's been a roller coaster of emotions.

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So right now, I think we're going to be mostly in analysis mode and trying to figure out where we're going to take the investigation next.

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And when I came home to tell everybody I was rejected, like I was completely nuts.

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If you'd come back and said this person's like totally psychotic, it would have made this real easy for us.

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All move on investigators are volunteers.

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Their full-time occupations range from police detectives to computer graphic designers to aeronautical engineers.

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They bring their skills to each investigation.

337
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Let me go.

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I want to see my son.

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They're looking at me.

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Four of them.

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They're not human.

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They're not human.

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In an effort to reconnect Chris with his experience, we created an animation to show him.

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And we're hoping, with his feedback, we can know whether we're accurate or not.

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Here's the first one.

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What we're looking at here would be when you guys were at the riverbank and you saw the lights come over.

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How's that look?

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It's pretty close.

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The third orb should be where the further one is on the left.

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You want me to back this up a little bit?

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No, stop it right there.

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When I first came up the road, I was looking that way.

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It was about this amount of light.

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There was one here, more like this high.

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And this one that was stationary was here.

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And then one came from here in a blink of an eye and stopped just above those trees right there.

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So the fact that Chris was able to point out the discrepancies in the animation and how they could be fixed

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lends more credibility to his testimony.

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The way he's got it's pretty close.

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Right there.

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See that spike?

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Is that sticking out on the front?

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Yeah, it does happen.

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Do away with those.

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I mean a few changes and it'll be...

366
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Well we're going to go back and we'll get it fixed so it's right like you showed us.

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Now that we have Chris's feedback, we can finalize the animation.

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He has this very vivid image of what he saw.

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Starting with him up at the top of the hill and seeing these orbs coming over the field.

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And then going back down to the riverbank and witnessing these lights coming over with the other folks there that were fishing with him.

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And then all of them getting back in the truck and going to the top of the hill again and seeing this strange spike craft.

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And then racing home from there and having this alien encounter.

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It changed everybody in our house.

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For the first time in our life we were not open.

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We avoided the dinner table together.

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I've been ashamed to share anything with anybody and I have neglected some family members.

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Avoided them intentionally.

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It's been emotional.

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It's been stressful.

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It's been horrifying.

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In fact can I tell you this?

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Our marriage and our family was on the verge of splitting up over this thing.

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So it's been tough but it's not a train wreck yet.

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The dramatic changes in their behavior and the stressors that it caused in their family life is a major confirmation that something went on.

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Chris had more to lose in the game by making up the story.

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So the question is did he really see UFOs and was he abducted or is this all in his head?

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Debbie, James Carianne.

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Hi James.

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It's a pleasure to meet you.

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You're actually going to be able to come up with a diagnosis.

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Whether there's any elements of fantasy pronuss, any red flags you're looking for in terms of could it be hoax?

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You know I'm going to do an in-depth interview with him and try to get as much information as I can.

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Personality disorders I would be looking for in a case like this would be something like narcissistic personality disorder or their pronuss to fantasy or if they have any sociopathic tendencies.

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Debbie?

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Hi.

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Debbie?

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Chris?

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Hi.

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Let's meet you.

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This is Chris White.

401
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How are you doing?

402
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Hi Von.

403
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Nice to meet you.

404
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What I was really looking for was whether he showed any indications of these personality disorders that would really tell me that there's a hoax going on here.

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Debbie's a psychiatric social worker.

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She's a professor, a college professor in Maryland.

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Just tell her you know just be open tell her what you're thinking and I think everything will be fine.

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Make yourself at home.

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Thanks.

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First test is a skid.

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You just do a general interview.

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Are people anxious?

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Are they depressed?

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From that very structured interview you piece together a diagnosis.

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And the other test is the MMPI-2 and that is personality inventory.

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What are his general features?

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How he portrays himself in the world?

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How he reacts in different situations?

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So we thought those two would be the best tests to give.

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So has there ever been a period of time when you felt deeply depressed?

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2001 during the election times I lost two million cash dollars because I had 27 houses that sit on the market a year and a half.

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It caused a lot of depression but I never told my family the stress that I was under because I sheltered them.

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Well it made my condition very rough.

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And you always have a sense of who you are?

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Yeah.

426
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Yeah okay so you don't lose touch with that about that night and what happened.

427
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Would you describe that as a trauma?

428
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Oh it was definitely traumatic.

429
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Yes man.

430
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It was very painful to think about it.

431
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And when I came home to tell everybody I was rejected like I was completely nuts.

432
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Yeah you have a lot of pain about that.

433
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There's nothing to indicate that in my conversation today with Chris that he's experiencing any break with reality.

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And certainly was not indicated in the SCID interview that Chris Sr. is psychotic.

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On the other hand he sort of has a proneness to unusual ideas and beliefs which probably made him more susceptible but certainly did not create any kind of mental illness.

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Debbie administered a second test, the MMPI-2, the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory Test.

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And the test shows he's in his right mind.

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The MMPI basically said that he is vulnerable and being vulnerable he could have a certain level of psychotic or disturbed thinking.

439
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But that really seems unlikely and actually his personality profile doesn't indicate that he's sort of prone to making up lies or conspiring or things like that.

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If you'd come back and said this person's like totally psychotic and it would have made this real easy for us.

441
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Yeah it never came up.

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I was pretty relieved that I didn't see any of the major personality disorders there.

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So I'm pretty convinced that this is not something that was hoaxed.

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Come on talk for me.

445
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Oh she would.

446
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It simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever that he would lie about it, that he would collude with others to lie about it, that he would conspire with anyone.

447
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You risk more coming forward with a story like this than you would ever gain.

448
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:48,000
But the bottom line is it's Chris Sr's word about whether he saw this creature and that's why we have to do the polygraph.

449
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Did you make up any of the information regarding the entity you reported seeing with the negative question?

450
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No.

451
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How would you summarize the test?

452
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It looked like stars. I mean stars in our eyes.

453
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Like an invasion you know what I'm saying? That's what we were thinking in our mind.

454
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What does the room look like?

455
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Lights.

456
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Controls.

457
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Because this case is based on anecdotal testimony, we decided to use the polygraph to see if Chris is telling us the truth.

458
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Hey you're gone?

459
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Hey Chris.

460
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Hey Steve.

461
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Good to see you.

462
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Good to see you.

463
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000
Good to see you.

464
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000
Good to see you.

465
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As far as polygraph is concerned, you know you're either telling the truth or you're not telling the truth.

466
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The lie is the lie is the lie.

467
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That's it.

468
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Polygraph is really only as good as the operator's interpretation.

469
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,000
We were lucky to get Bob Durdak.

470
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,000
He's retired from the FBI.

471
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,000
He was in charge of the North Carolina Bureau's polygraph unit and he's very respected in his field.

472
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,000
I tell him it's a pure of heart test.

473
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,000
If you feel good in your heart, you're being honest, you're going to do fine.

474
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000
If your body shows it, you don't do so good.

475
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,000
It usually pretty much plays out that way.

476
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Hello there.

477
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Hello.

478
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Hello.

479
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,000
How are you?

480
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,000
Steve McGee, Mufon.

481
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Steve.

482
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,000
Bob Durdak.

483
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,000
How are you?

484
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,000
Chris, nice to meet you.

485
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Good to meet you.

486
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Steve, thanks very much.

487
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Chris is having no qualms about doing a polygraph.

488
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,000
In fact, in the original report, he said he would take one.

489
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:32,000
So we're going into this polygraph exam feeling very confident that he's going to do well.

490
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,000
The real lie detector in this whole equation is you because you're the only one that knows the truth

491
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,000
and you're telling this instrument here what's going on inside your body

492
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,000
and that's what we're using to determine whether you're being truthful or not.

493
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000
If you will pull this around your lower stomach and just hold it right in the middle

494
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,000
and lean forward a little bit, I'm going to pull this around behind you.

495
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,000
For months, I was scared to say anything but ridicule.

496
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:03,000
I decided I had to get it off my chest or it's going to drive me insane.

497
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
And the world needs to know it's real.

498
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000
It is real.

499
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,000
I'm thinking if he comes out and passes, this is going to make this real easy.

500
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,000
And it's going to shorten our time here.

501
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,000
That's exciting.

502
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Yeah, just try to be as relaxed as you can.

503
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
Okay, ready to go?

504
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Yes, sir.

505
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Cast is now beginning.

506
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Is your first name Christopher?

507
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Yes.

508
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Is there anything in your background that would cast doubt on your honesty or integrity?

509
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000
No.

510
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Did you make up any of the information concerning what you saw in the sky on the night in question?

511
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000
No.

512
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:44,000
Have you conspired with anyone to provide false information regarding what happened on the night in question?

513
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,000
No.

514
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Did you make up any of the information regarding the entity you reported seeing on the night in question?

515
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,000
No.

516
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000
How would you summarize the test?

517
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Well, I'd say he failed the test.

518
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:09,000
I'm going to tell you that his deceptive responses were focused around things that he actually saw that night.

519
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000
He wasn't being truthful about the entity?

520
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
I don't think so.

521
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
What do you think he was being truthful about?

522
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
I mean, it's hard to say.

523
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
It's going to be a speculation, no matter what I say.

524
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Is everything he said a lie?

525
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000
You can't glean that just from the polygraph.

526
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:33,000
You can glean that from the investigation, the information you collect, and everything should fit at some point.

527
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Did you make up any of the information concerning what you saw in the sky on the night in question?

528
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000
How did he score there?

529
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Well, if he just took the numerical score, he would have been inconclusive.

530
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,000
The one he had deceptive responses to was the entity, seeing the entity.

531
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:59,000
You know, he kept saying, I'm not sure myself when I think about it if I really saw it or not, but I know I did.

532
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:08,000
He didn't come right out and tell us everything was a lie, but basically the part about the entity reflected negatively in the polygraph.

533
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000
I ended up doing two series.

534
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,000
So even though I may feel disappointed, in the back of my mind I'm saying reserve judgment.

535
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Reserve judgment.

536
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,000
So you have to weigh all that evidence and it really comes down to who do you believe.

537
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
Essentially it was negative.

538
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Basically the operator is telling us that he wasn't being honest.

539
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,000
He was neutral on the orange orbs and he was neutral on the lights in the skies.

540
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000
I think we're all a little disappointed.

541
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Honestly, the relationship I've developed with Chris, I really felt like I owed it to him to sit down and talk to him about it.

542
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:50,000
This was going to be his chance to either confirm or deny that he still was going to stick to his guns or he was going to finally come out and admit that,

543
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000
no guys, alright, you got me.

544
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
We wanted to talk to you and get your reaction.

545
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Okay.

546
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Because I was basically going to hit him right between the eyes with it and see what he says.

547
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,000
Hopefully, you'll benefit.

548
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Somehow, some way.

549
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:50,000
We were really concerned and wanted to talk to you and get your reaction.

550
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Okay.

551
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,000
It was an uncomfortable time because I was basically going to hit him right between the eyes with it and see what he says.

552
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,000
The question about the entity is where the concern came in.

553
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Okay.

554
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:07,000
And basically, the result on as far as the entity was concerned was negative.

555
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Okay.

556
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Now, I'm trying to help you figure this all out.

557
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,000
It was tense.

558
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Tell me what you think about it.

559
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,000
It was uncomfortable for us because we knew it would make him uncomfortable.

560
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000
We really needed to know what he was going to say.

561
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
I know my mind.

562
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Remember me telling you there's like two parts of me that was an inner part?

563
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000
This is, this was there.

564
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,000
And there's an outer part that says, maybe, maybe not.

565
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
But I know what I saw.

566
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,000
And I have nightmares with it.

567
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,000
It never leaves my mind.

568
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,000
And it was there.

569
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
I just take my life on it.

570
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,000
It was tough.

571
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,000
It was tough not to believe him.

572
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
He was so sincere and so strong about what he was saying.

573
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Well, I know what I saw.

574
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,000
There is no doubt in my mind what I saw.

575
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Whatever this machine says, I don't know.

576
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
And don't care.

577
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
But I know what I saw.

578
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
And I go over and over in my mind.

579
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Because it's hard to believe yourself.

580
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000
He stuck to his guns.

581
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000
He was very sincere.

582
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000
So in my mind, the story still goes.

583
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000
I mean, the story still seems credible.

584
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:25,000
After all this, Chris still insists that he saw three UFOs.

585
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,000
And he had an alien encounter on January 8, 2007.

586
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Now that the animation has given us this very vivid description of the object,

587
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,000
we can check our archives to see if somebody else had a similar sighting.

588
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
In cases like this, you really just have to pull all the stops

589
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
and make sure you're covering all your bases.

590
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Gathering corroborative information from law enforcement,

591
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,000
from the local newspapers and media to see who else may have reported something similar.

592
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Yes, I'm with Mufon.

593
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
I'm a field investigator.

594
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,000
And I was wondering if you could check your newspaper archives

595
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,000
for an unusual sighting January 8th of 2007.

596
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,000
Okay, well, Mr. Captain January 1st of 2007,

597
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000
I don't see any local stories.

598
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
We contacted the local military installations, the airports,

599
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000
trying to find somebody else who may have reported this

600
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000
or may have seen things, and we came up with nothing.

601
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000
As I scroll down on our case management system,

602
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
the time frame of the Bledsoe sighting,

603
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,000
as I look here, we've got a submission on January 9th, 2007.

604
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
One of the interesting aspects about the Bledsoe case

605
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,000
is Chris Sr.'s description of the craft at the top of the hill.

606
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,000
What struck me as I went back through the Mufon archives

607
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,000
is we found a similar case from 2001 up in Wisconsin,

608
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,000
where the craft that was seen there was almost identical

609
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,000
to what Chris was describing, the whole egg shape and the protrusions.

610
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,000
In fact, when I put them side by side, I was amazed at how similar they were.

611
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Basically described the same thing as the witnesses in the case

612
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
that we're working on right now.

613
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000
To have two cases in different parts of the country,

614
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,000
different time frames, where both crafts are so similar, is just amazing.

615
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Now that we have this other sighting from Wisconsin,

616
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,000
the question is, is this coincidence?

617
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Is it a collective fantasy?

618
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Or are people really witnessing the same object in different states?

619
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Based on the year differences, I would have to say they're seeing the same object.

620
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Let's talk about closure on something like this.

621
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,000
The reality is that when you work on a case like this,

622
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000
you never get a cut and dry solution.

623
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,000
We have a lot of evidence, a lot of information, a lot of testimony,

624
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,000
and we'll never know for sure exactly what happened.

625
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,000
So it's frustrating to us that we haven't been able to gather the necessary data we want

626
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
to prove that something really happened, but at the same time,

627
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,000
we know this is happening, we know that people are experiencing this,

628
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,000
and we really would be remiss if we didn't investigate it.

629
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
We can't simply ignore it.

630
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,000
These are things that are happening to people every day,

631
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000
and they're having these experiences, so we want to be there

632
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,000
to be able to not only try to figure out what's going on,

633
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,000
but try to secure some sort of proof that this is a reality.

634
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000
It's all right. Come on out here.

635
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
What do you think?

636
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000
I don't know what to think. You don't?

637
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Chris Jr. and Chris Sr. had a very reality altering event.

638
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,000
I think this case shows that we're dealing with a real phenomena here,

639
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,000
and it's important for folks to know this is not science fiction.

640
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000
This is science fact.

641
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000
Thank you so much.

642
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,000
You're welcome.

643
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,000
It's been tough, but it all came out good.

644
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000
All right, but I'll see you later.

645
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Thank you, Richard.

646
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,000
See you later, Chris.

647
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000
See you later, man.

648
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Later, buddy.

649
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Thank you.

650
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,000
It's worse if you're quiet about it.

651
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:25,000
It'll never leave what I saw, and one day, one day,

652
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,000
everybody will know the truth one day.